Prabhu Chawla:<i>Nahii. maine to usko</i>... somebody… I didn't… <i>Usko maine</i> 15-20 <i>din pahle message bhejaa thaa</i>. (I'd sent him a message 15-20 days ago.)
Prabhu Chawla: Then he responded. Then I asked again. Then he never responded. <i>Maine usko message nahin bhejaa phir.</i> (After that I did not message him again)
Niira Radia:<i>Kyaa</i> judgment </i>uske khilaaf aa rahaa hai</i>? (Is that judgement against him?)
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Haan</i> (Yes), Arrogant <i>hai naa. Uske baad kyaa kare? Yeh arrogance, dono bhaaiyyon kaa samajh mein nahin aati mero ko</i> (Yes, He's arrogant. What more can we do. I don't understand both the brothers' arrogance.)
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Niira Radia: But Prabhu tell me one thing. Judgment is fixed, right?
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Dekho</i> (See,) in this country, <i>dono side mein fix karne ki capacity hain. Par baraa bhai jo hain naa.. Chhotaa bhaai mobile jyaada hai</i>. (Both sides have the capacity to fix, in this country. But, the elder brother, ...the younger brother is more 'mobile'...)
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Paise kam kharach kartaa hai, kanjoos hai sabse jyaadaa....</i> (He spends less, is more of a miser...)
Prabhu Chawla: But he is more mobile than the elder brother. Elder brother doesn't want to go beyond what Dhirubhai left behind with him. Men or people, whatever.
Prabhu Chawla: The way things are moving, Mukesh poor fellow is not able to get the right feedback....
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Prabhu Chawla: ...because of insulation from various other sources. And I know what he is doing on the Supreme Court front.
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Prabhu Chawla: Various things. Which is not the way to go about.
Niira Radia: Hmm.
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Prabhu Chawla:What he doing it is known to the rest of the world. Which is not good.
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Usko thoda</i>… If he has to…. because everything is fixed now these days.
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Prabhu Chawla:<i>Ab</i> (Now) Supreme Court <i>mein</i> (in) reverse <i>ho gayaa</i> (happens), then he is finished for ever, <i>yaar</i>! (my friend!)
Niira Radia: But Prabhu <i>ek baat batao</i> (Tell me something)?
Prabhu Chawla: <i>Haan</i> (sure) ?
Niira Radia: <i>Abhi tak</i> (Until now) Supreme Court <i>kaa</i>, between you and me, <i>toh finalise huaa bhi nahin</i>? (It's not been finalised yet?)
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Prabhu Chawla: Finalise <i>kaa matlab kya hai</i>? (Means what?) <i>Bhai</i> Murli Deora <i>bhii jaayega</i> court <i>mein</i>. (will also go to court)
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Prabhu Chawla: Prime Minister is also putting pressure on Murli Deora to settle it. Because ultimately it is national loss <i>na</i>, as you put it.
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Itnaa mehanga ho raha hain</i> fuel, <i>ab</i> 90 dollars <i>ho jayegaa 2-3 mahiine mein</i>. (Fuel is getting so expensive! In 2-3 months it will change to 90$)
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Prabhu Chawla: if you are not able to take out gas from your own sources, then there is a problem, naa. Country should not bloody suffer because of these two brothers!
Niira Radia: Anil …<i>usne kabhi apne gas ke liye manaa toh nahin kiya. Usne kaha tera 28 mmscmd bantaa hai. Agar NTPC 12 nahii letaa toh teraa woh bhii bantaa hai.</i> (He's never said he won't give the gas. He said you straight away get 28 mmscd. If NTPC doesn't increase, you get that too.)
Niira Radia: <i>Lekin jo 2.34 ki price hai, woh government ki</i> domain <i>hai</i>. Main uspe</i> decide <i>nahin karta sakta</i>, I'm an operator. (But the 2.34 price is the government's price. I can't decide on that.)
Niira Radia: <i>Uska</i> point limited <i>woh hai</i>. (His point is limited to that.) I don't know, <i>aapne</i> MoU <i>dekha</i>? (Did you see the MoU?)
Niira Radia: I don't know whether you have seen it, but I will show it to you. MoU <i>mein aisa kuch likhaa nahin hai</i>. (Nothing like that is written in the MoU.)
Prabhu Chawla:<i>Nahin</i>. MoU <i>mein pataa nahin, maine dekhaa nahiin isi liye</i> I can't say, frankly speaking, and MoU <i>mein, agar</i> court <i>ne</i> order <i>kiya, toh kisii</i> basis <i>pe kiyaa hogaa naa. Padhaa hogaa</i> court <i>ne.</i>
(No, I've not read the MoU, so I can't say. But if the court has passed an order then there must be some basis for it. The court must've read it.)
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Niira Radia: <i>Nahin... Uska court kaa order mein</i>, 328 pages <i>mein</i> I can give you anything, I can tell you, <i>woh</i> pen drive <i>bhi jo</i> use <i>ki hogi naa</i>, Prabhu, <i>woh jo</i> telecom </i>kaa</i> TDSAT <i>kaa</i> judgement <i>huaa naa</i>, dual technology <i>kaa</i> Vanavati <i>ne jo karvaya hai</i>, Dr Sarma.. <i>Aur baad mein</i> Raja <i>ne phir</i> Dr Sarma </i>ko</i> TRAI chairman <i>banaa diya</i>. (No, the pen drive that was used in the telecom TDSAT judgment on dual technology, that Vanavati did...later Raja made Dr. Sarma TRAI chairman...)
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Niira Radia: <i>Woh</i> guaranteed <i>ki</i> same pen drive use <i>ki hogi</i>. (I guarantee that the same pen drive must have been used...for the 328 pages of the court order.)
Prabhu Chawla: hahaha (laughs)
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Niira Radia:<i>Mein tumko dono</i> judgement <i>aamne saamne dikhake, tum dekh lo, dono pad lo. Usme jo… dono</i> wordings <i>mein</i>… (I'll show you both the judgements side-by-side, you see both, you read. The wordings in both....)
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Prabhu Chawla:Gulam Vanavati is an old friend of mine. He was in Indian Express when I was editor of Indian Express, he was our counsel.
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Meraa bahut achhaa dost hai puraanaa.</i> Nusli Wadia <i>ke saath thaa pahle</i>. (He's a very good friend of mine from before. He was with Nusli Wadia before...) He is a very good friend of Nusli, even now I think he friends...
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Prabhu Chawla: He is with Sharad Pawar also. But he is very close to Anil Ambani. Everybody knows about it.
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Prabhu Chawla: Appointment.. Anil Ambani, Nusli Wadia and,... <i>apna hai na</i> power minister, Shinde,...
Prabhu Chawla: Bharadwaj would not have made him the Attorney General <i>agar</i> (if) Bharadwaj law minister <i>hotaa</i> (was). <i>Ab ban gaya wo</i>. (Now, he is.)
Prabhu Chawla: The question is these brothers have to come to the conclusion themselves first....
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Kyun ki</i> agreement <i>toh hogaa</i> court <i>mein jaa karke</i> Supreme Court <i>ne</i> order <i>dono ko</i> acceptable <i>de diya</i>, that can be one way of looking at it.
(because.... one way of looking at it... is that both may get an acceptable order on going to the Supreme Court)
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Kyun ki abhi toh</i> (Because now,) here basically the whole judgement will decide the future of both of them <i>naa</i>? More of Mukesh than of Anil.
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Ki</i> Anil <i>kaa to saala</i> power plant <i>hi shuru nahin hua, usko</i> gas <i>kyaa karna hai</i>?
(Anil's power plant has not even started yet. What will he do with the gas?)
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Niira Radia: Judgement <i>mein usne 17 saal to likhaa nahin hai. Mujhe lagtaa hai</i> gas <i>toh de deni chahiye kal se. Usko bolo chal tu le. Kya karegaa uske saath? Kuch nahiin kar saktaa.</i>
(In the judgement he hasn't said 17 years. I feel he should be given the gas. Tell him to take it. What will he do with it? He can't do anything.)
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Bech le nahin sakta. Theek hai, bolo uthaa lo</i> gas <i>jaa kar ke...</i>
(He can't sell it. Okay, tell him to take it.)
Niira Radia: <i>Aur paise do uske liye</i>.
(And pay money for it.)
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Prabhu Chawla:<i>Haan paise do, bech nahin saktaa woh kisi aur ko.</i> <i>Likha hai</i> Judgement <i>mein</i> you can't sell it to anybody else <i>naa</i>?
(Yes, pay for it. He can't sell it to anybody else. It says so in the judgment, doesn't it?)
Niira Radia: Correct, correct.
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Prabhu Chawla:<i> Theek hai, bhai.</i> That, that… let Mukesh sell it wherever he wants to sell it. That should be the…
Prabhu Chawla: <i>...Mukesh kaa</i> objective <i>kyaa hai</i>,( ...I don't know what Mukesh's objective is.) I don't know. You are not clear. Because <i>unke yahan jo</i> Anand Jain </i>toh baahar ho gayaa mere khayaal se</i>. He is out, <i>naa</i>?
Niira Radia: <i>Nahin nahin</i>, (No, no) he is very much there. Again <i>ye</i> Anil <i>ki phailee hui baatein hain. Yeh galat baat hai. Main usko itnii baar khud dekh chukkii huun.</i>
(These are rumours spread by Anil. It's wrong. I've seen him, myself, so many times.)
Niira Radia: <i>Nahiin, ek baat, sach baat, bataa duun tum ko</i>. (No, let me tell you something...) Anand Jain is very much there. Manoj Modi is very much there. Mukesh is very much there.
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Prabhu Chawla: Manoj Modi is little more professional
Niira Radia: He is very professional
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Prabhu Chawla: Manoj Modi very much professional. Anand Jain <i>thoda</i> politics <i>kartaa hai ki uskaa apnaa dhandaa bhi hai</i>, business <i>hai</i>. (Anand Jain plays some political games...he has his business too.) He has more influence on…
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Niira Radia:Haan ... but <i>is</i> matter <i>mein</i> Manoj Modi <i>jyaadaa hogaa na nazdeek</i>?
(Yes, but in this matter Manoj Modi must be closer, isn't it?)
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Prabhu Chawla:<i>Haan</i> (yes), Manoj Modi <i>jo bhi hai</i>, but now Supreme Court <i>mein aana hi hai</i> case. Anil Ambani <i>ne</i> caveat file <i>kardii</i>. <i>Kal parso ki</i>.
(Yes whoever. But now the case has to go to the Supreme court, Anil A. has filed the caveat.)
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Niira Radia:<i>Woh toh karegaa naa</i>. (That he would do,...) He has to safeguard his interests.
Prabhu Chawla: But since you have access to Mukesh, you should should convey to Mukesh that the way he is going about the Supreme Court is not… I won't give you anything more than that. It is not the right way.
Prabhu Chawla: No, no, no. The way he is going to the Supreme Court. I won't tell you more than that.
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Prabhu Chawla: The people he is using, they are not the people who can be trusted for keeping it to themselves.
Niira Radia: Hmm..
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Prabhu Chawla:<i>Bol dete hain, ab</i> London <i>mein baith ke kuch bhi bolte hain. Achha nahin lagtaa naa</i>,(Sitting in London, they say anything. It's not good...) it gets back. London is like… London is not London. It is a phone call away.
Niira Radia: Hmmm..
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Prabhu Chawla: <i>Usko thoda</i>… He must be… Political system <i>hi</i> Delhi <i>mein</i> change <i>ho gayaa</i>.
Prabhu Chawla: Kamalnath can decide one thing but he can be overruled by Pranab Mukherjee. So <i>ye saare</i> loose ends <i>ko</i> tight <i>karnaa hai naa</i>?
(All these loose ends must be tied-up together, no?)
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Niira Radia:<i>Maine tumharaa</i> London <i>kaa</i> point catch <i>nahin kiyaa</i>...
(I didn't understand your point about London.)
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Prabhu Chawla:<i>Matlab</i> (As in), he is trying to understand how to go into the Supreme Court.
Prabhu Chawla:He is not… <i>Yeh bhi lage honge naa kisii ke</i> through? Mukesh <i>bhii toh kar rahaa hogaa naa? Phir? Wohi keh rahaa huun.</i> Mukeh <i>jis tariike se</i> approach <i>kar rahaa hai</i>, if that's what I heard, is not the right way to go.
(They must be trying on this end too,...Mukesh must be at it too. That's what I'm saying. The method of approach Mukesh is using is not the right way.)
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Niira Radia: <i>Theek hai</i>. I understood what you are saying.
Prabhu Chawla: Now you understand <i>na</i>?
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Niira Radia: I will… <i>Main baat karungi thodi der mein</i>, (I will speak to you in some time,) I will tell him to speak to you.
Prabhu Chawla: <i>Lekin sun toh letaa hun naa kaii baar,... idhar udhar se, political logon se</i>. (But one does hear bits here and there...from 'political' people.)
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Prabhu Chawla: But he is not appearing for him. My son is not involved in this case at all.
Niira Radia: Your son, <i>naa</i>?
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Prabhu Chawla:<i>Haan</i>, he is not involved at all.
Niira Radia: <i>Harami to hai lekin har waqt haraamii panaa</i> last <i>nahiin kartaa naa</i>, (He is,..but that behaviour does stop somewhere) Prabhu you also know.
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Prabhu Chawla: Question is, <i>abhii</i> (now), when you are working in a system which is not clean, you have to be… <i>bhaii tumhaare ko nuksaan to ho gaya naa?
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Prabhu Chawla: Udhar</i> recovery <i>karte raho apne aap</i>. (You have already suffered a setback. And then keep trying recover yourself.) It is better to do it in a manner so that you are not the loser.
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Niira Radia: <i>Theek hai</i> (Alright...)
Prabhu Chawla:<i>Main kal jaa rahaa hun</i> Bombay. <i>Ek baar usne kahaa thaa<i> dinner </i>pe aana ghar pe</i>. That is about… He called me one day.
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Prabhu Chawla: You remember [inaudible].... I was the only senior editor there.
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Prabhu Chawla: But then after that I tried to meet him, but <i>nahin mil paayaa</i>. (...but I didn't manage to meet him.)
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Prabhu Chawla: I went a couple of times to Bombay recently but he was not there. I have been trying to reach him <i>par uske baad baat hii nahii huii</i>. (...but after that I never got to speak to him.)
