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Phone rings
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Niira: Hi
Sunil: Hello, that meeting is tomorrow at 12 'o clock.
Niira: Tomorrow at 12? In Bombay?
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Sunil: Haan, that's right, that's right...
Niira: (cutting him off) I couldn't call you; I got back last night and went straight to sleep.
Sunil: Sorry?
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Niira: I said, I got back yesterday and went straight to sleep.
(sighs)
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Sunil: The moment I spoke, I sent you a message, by that time you had boarded...
Niira: Haan, I know, then I...what happened - we were on the aircraft for about an hour. Then we went down again.
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Sunil: <i>Nahi, meri tab usse baat ho chuki</i> (By then I had spoken to him/ her).
Niira: Haan, I know, I know. I told Rohit, I sent him your SMS. I forwarded it. But then, the moment I reached home, I went to sleep.
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Sunil: But that's okay na, that's fine. <i>Maine abhi subah usse baat kar li thi</i> (So now I talked to him in the morning).
Niira: <i>Toh, usne...usne Jaipur kyon karna tha yahan se?</i>
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Sunil: <i>Nahi usne pahle socha hoga ki...baat kar le...maine kah to diya hi hain.</i> (No, he must have first thought...will talk to him...I've already said it anyway) So I told him again...<i>maine kahan nahi yaar, pahle baat tumhare...yeh hui thi ke</i> (I said no, we had discussed that...) first meeting he will take in your presence.
Niira: Hmm
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Sunil: After that they'll keep on being in touch with each other. They'll not involve you. Except if there is some quid pro quo, which will be informed to you (sic). That's all.
Niira: Hmm
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Sunil: <i>Toh, uska bhi, actually uska missed call tha</i> (So, even he...it was he who called...) so I returned the call.
Niira: Hmm
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Sunil: Toh, he said that that gentleman is coming from Jaipur at about 11 'o clock, and probably Rohit said that - he said that rather <i>main chahta hun ki</i> (I prefer) 10 'o clock, and Rohit said ki tu gyara baje hi pahunch payega, so I suggested that he should also take an early flight, so that in the forenoon this all is finished (sic).
Niira: Correct
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Sunil: <i>Toh aap kah dena Rohit ko, theek hai na?</i> (So you tell Rohit, alright?)
Niira: <i>Main bol deti hoon, haan</i> (I'll tell him, yes).
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Sunil: <i>Usne mujhe jo time diya woh bara baje ka tha</i> (the time he gave me was 12 'o clock). He said woh gyara baje agar pahunchega hi, toh phir airport se aate aate ki bas der ho jaati</i> (He said that if he reaches at eleven, he will be delayed further, coming all the way from the airport)- because then I may have another meeting or something after lunch
Niira: <i>Theek hai</i>.
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Sunil: <i>toh woh better hain...main kya kahe ki varna tum Jaipur se...ticket vicket kar denge, he says kya baat karte ho, koi issue nahi usme</i> (So this is better...I said I'll book you a ticket to Jaipur, he said, why do you say this, it's not an issue!)
Niira: Great.
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Sunil: He said that. He says - <i>nahi nahi, aisa koi issue nahi.</i> (No, really, it's no worry)
Niira: <i>Theek hai</i>.
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Sunil: <i>Income tax wale hain, ticket le sakte hain. Maine bola, accha, theek hain.</i> (They're income tax people, they can buy tickets. I said, so be it!)
(Both laugh)
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Niira: I'm having dinner with NK Singh and Sharad Yadav on Saturday.
Sunil: Okay.
Niira: At NK Singh's house.
Sunil: Okay.
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Sunil: I saw an interview in Express.
Niira: <i>Maine dekha nahin actually.</i> (I didn't see it actually.)
Sunil: <i>Uh, parso aaya tha shayad.</i> {It was probably (published) the day before yesterday}
Niira: (makes indistinct noises)
Sunil: On the eve of 30th, on the eve of this JD-U National Executive meeting.
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Niira: Haan, I mean I think he's spelt out very clearly that he's had enough with JD...BJP, na.
Sunil: <i>Woh tadap raha hai</i>
Niira: <i>Kya?</i>
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Sunil: <i>Haan...(laughs)...woh toh oath lene ke liye tadap raha hain na.</i> (he's dying to take the oath, you know)
Niira: <i>Haan, lag raha hain.</i> (Yes, it seems so.)
Sunil: <i>Uske saare jo interviewees...ki sab bakwas chodo, tum oath dilao.</i> (all his interviewees are saying...forget all this nonsense and...)
Niira: <i>Haan, theek bol rahe hain.</i> (yes, they're right.)
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Sunil: Two days back in Indian Express
Niira: <i>Haan, suddenly NK Singh said that maine usko jab phone karke bola ki main Niira ko invite...</i> (Yes, NK Singh suddenly said that when called him and said he's inviting Niira...)
Sunil: <i>Aap interview padh lena ek baar.</i> (please read the interview once)
Niira: <i>Haan, main padh leti hoon.</i> (Yes, I will read it)
Sunil: You should see it...
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Niira: <i>Haan, parso aayi thi?</i> (Yes, was it published the day before yesterday?)
Sunil: Haan, just go back two-three days, that's all.
Niira: <i>Haan, maine usko, maine kaha...</i>(Yes, I told him...)
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Sunil: <i>Bhai, inka tees-ekkattees ko tha na meeting - national executive ka.</i> (Why, their national executive meeting was on the 30th or the 31st...)
Niira: Haan.
Sunil: It is either...30th was yesterday, right?
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Niira: Haan, nahi yesterday was 31st.
Sunil: (choruses with Niira) Yesterday was 31st.
Niira: Haan.
Sunil: So it was either 30th or 29th.
Niira: <i>Theek hain main padh leti hoon.</i> (Alright, I will read it)
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Sunil: <i>Haan, woh sab padh lena usme.</i> (Yes, read about all this in the interview)
Niira: <i>Toh, usne bola ki maine...Niira ne...Sharad Yadav ko phone karke bola ki</i> ( so he said that I'd like...Niira...he called Sharad Yadav and said) I'd like to invite Niira, I hope you don't have a problem. He said, he was very happy - <i>nahi nahi nahi, haan, please bulaiyye!</i> (Not at all, please invite her!)
(laughs) <i>maine kaha shukar hain bhai.</i> (thank heavens, I said!)
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Sunil: ...jealousy <9>hoti hai</i>
Niira: <i>Haye haye haye...</i> (My! my! my!) (laughs)
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Sunil: <i>aap karte bhi jaanbhoojke...</i></i> (You intentionally do this...)
Niira: <i>Haan, jaanbhoojke ho jaata hain</i> (yes, it's intentional) (laughs)...theek hain (alright).
Sunil:...indistinct...<i>theek hain</i> (alright).
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Niira: <i>Ok...main batati hoon phir aapko, aaj sham ko main milne ja rahi hoon apne doosre woh...baat karne ke liye, woh dono se baat kar li thi maine...</i> (so, I'll let you know, I'm meeting my other...this evening...I had spoken to both of them)
Sunil: Okay.
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Niira: <i>Haan allocation ki woh maine baat kar li thi...main sirf tumko...uske baad sham ko baat karungi. Main aapke...se baat karne ja rahi...</i> (Yes, I had talked about the allocation...I will only...I will talk after the evening...I was going to...)
Sunil: Haan, nahi nahi, I thought I should just phone you on that...important.
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Niira: Nahin, nahin, he has already got that in his mind. I'm meeting him today - maybe today I may not be able to discuss all the issues because there'll be lot of people today.
Sunil: But tell him to kill MTN.
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Niira: <i>Nahi, nahi, woh main usko...nahi, nahi, woh nahi karega.</i> (No, I can't tell him that...he won't do it.)
Sunil: <i>Accha, nahi karega?</i> (Oh, he won't?)
Niira: <i>Kyunki</i> (Because) Anil Ambani wants that.
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Sunil: <i>Nahi, nahi, MTN toh ab...ja raha hain na.</i> (No, MTN is now...it's going away...)
Niira: <i>Sunil Mittal ke paas.</i> (It's with Sunil Mittal)
Sunil: Haan.
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Niira: <i>Nahi, nahi, woh Sunil Mittal ke saath kabhi jhagda nahi lega.</i> (No, he will never want to antagonise Sunil Mittal)
Sunil: (now in a more resigned tone) Accha, nahi karega. (Oh, he won't...)
Niira: <i>Main usse baat karungi, because...Navika lagi hui hain uspe.</i> (I will talk to him...Navika is working on him)
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Sunil: Hmm. I believe jo so-called spectrum allocation hua hain, the biggest beneficiary is the younger brother.
Niira: Is who? Haan, younger brother, absolutely!
Sunil: Hain?
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Niira: <i>Haan, toh abhi woh sab thoda diverse karna jaruri hain na usne...</i>
Sunil: Then, how come...the younger brother is the biggest beneficiary and you people are supporting him like anything.
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Niira: <i>Main tumko bataungi, yeh bahut complex issue hain.</i> (I will tell you later; it's a complex issue)
Sunil: <i>Toh, chalo,</i> (alright then) we'll talk on the other phone.
Niira: <i>Mere client, Tatas bhi bahut beneficiary rahe hain.</i> (Even my clients the Tatas have been beneficiaries)
Sunil: <i>Woh bhi pata hain mujhe, likha hua tha.</i> (I know, it was written about...)
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Niira: <i>Theek hain, main aapko phone karti hoon phir.</i> (Alright, I will call you then)
Sunil: Okay, ok...
Niira: Okay, bye.

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NKS: Yeah, we got it -
Niira: Sorry, the network went off...yeah, yeah.
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NKS: So, I think that you know, uh, and uh, Jiten Prasad has made it good because he's got Petroleum as the NOS where he can do a lot because you see, the incompetence of Murali is proverbial.
Niira: Hmm -
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NKS: Um...everytime the question comes up in any house of Parliament he is more busy trying to appease that questioner to see if he can stay out...I mean, uh, (chuckles), but I think that perhaps Mukesh has swung it for him.
Niira: Hmm.
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NKS: I mean uh, the continuity in the Petroleum ministry.
Niira: Hmm.
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NKS: But uh Murali is an incompetent minister, he may be a good man. So hopefully there's a chance for Jiten Prasad to do something.
Niira: Mmhmm.
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NKS: And uh, that's the other comment I have. Otherwise, in terms of the Finance ministry pretty much uh I was all the time uh - I was all the time convinced that Montek will not make it.
Niira: Yeah, that I - that was right, yeah.
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NKS: Because he tried much earlier for the (inaudible), you know, during the transition, and didn't cut ice. And in any case this time pitted against Pranab there was no chance.
Niira: No chance. But what about Planning Commission, will he go back to that?
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NKS: Yeah yeah, he's been told that he'll go back. And they will try to do some uh...do some cosmetic changes there, here and there. So uh...he'll go back there and buy time. I mean the best bet for him would be if he can try the Rajya Sabha ticket of Jayprakash Agarwal which is the one seat in Delhi which will be vacant.
Niira: Hmm.
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NKS: And if he can't do that then in August there are several...uh, seven nominated MPs whose posts are falling vacant.
Niira: Hmm.
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NKS: One of them is Vimal Jalan.
Niira: Hmm.
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NKS: And unhesitatingly Montek is as much of a professional economist as Vimal.
Niira: Correct.
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NKS: And and uh so I think that he can you know, try for that. Of course, if you become a nominated MP you cannot become -
Niira: - Hold office.
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NKS: - You cannot become a minister.
Niira: Minister, that's right, yeah.
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NKS: (inaudible) will prevent him from being a Deputy Chairman.
Niira: Correct.
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NKS: Uh, uh, so uh, that's the thing there. So to be seen and watched. Jairam has got a very good assignment. Jairam Ramesh, I spoke to him in the morning, and uh Environment and Forest is going to be a very important responsibility in the next two years with Copenhagen, and the world in general becoming more conscious about uh global warming and expecting us to undertake lot (inaudible) so that's that.
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Niira: Is he happy with it, I was told that he may not be happy with that.
NKS: He is very happy.
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Niira: He is, is it? Coz -
NKS: He is very happy. He - because he has got...I mean, you know, if he would have shot for the independent charge of power there would be no -
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Niira: (inaudible)
NKS: No way, till Shinde was around.
Niira: Hmm.
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NKS: Uh, till Shinde was around he couldn't tip Shinde into it. But let me tell you there are couple of things in this. One, there is a degree of temporariness in this because I think that the sparring between the NCP and Congress will increase in the next two months as you draw close to the Maharashtra elections, right?
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Niira: Mmmhmm, mmhmm.
NKS: As it is yesterday on the television, there was sparring between Prithviraj Chauhan and Praful. By the way, Praful would be very unhappy.
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Niira: Mm, he is, he is, by the look of things, yeah.
NKS: Because any old guy has been given an elevation, leg-up, but he hasn't kept - I mean he could have been made Cabinet Minister for Civil Aviation.
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Niira: No but he's destroyed the sector, I'm sorry, I mean I do have a view about it. I don't think he's done justice to the sector.
NKS: No! I think that he has worked as a minister for Mr. Naresh Goyal.
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Niira: Naresh Goyal, yes, and now Vijay Mallya, you know, and that's it. I mean, look at the National Carriers and -
NKS: - And the National Carriers has gone in decline, and he cannot brush off this charge uh very likely, in my view.
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Niira: Correct.
NKS: Uh...and uh, they should have really shuffled him around, I mean, uh...But I guess they didn't want - I guess this shuffle will come depending on the dynamics in the next two months on how they do the Maharashtra thing, so this is one area to be watched, what happens in Maharashtra. The other area to be watched is the somewhat mercurial behaviour of Mamta.
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Niira: Hmm.
NKS: She's (inaudible) disinvestment, privatisation, so...I mean she may act as a carrier of many of the ideas which were earlier attributed to the Left.
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Niira: Mmhmm.
NKS: So, that's that. Their interest in us continues in a manner of things, because Jairam asked me what is JDU actually deciding to do. And the fact that they have virtually zero presence from Bihar is indication of keeping uh...
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Niira: The door open.
NKS: Yeah. Because you see, they had an option of taking Laloo and uh, Raghuvansh, they didn't, (they) kept the door open, they had the option of taking that fellow Digvijay Singh who won as an independent-open but didn't.
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Niira: Hmm.
NKS: So uh, that option remains open but we have to make up our mind and the strategy which is, we're gonna brainstorm, you and me, one of these days, okay?
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Niira: Okay, sure, sure.
NKS: So I thought I'd -
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Niira: That'd be great, yeah. Okay, I'm away for the weekend, I'm going to Vaishnodevi, but I'm - I've just got back from Bombay yesterday night, so I'll be in Delhi all next week so you can let me know.
NKS: Okay...how is your son?
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Niira: Oh he's fine, he's much better...yes he's very fine, thank you.
NKS: Well give him my best wishes, I was very pleased to meet him that day.
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Niira: Thank you so much. He's in Bombay, he's started work there so that's good.
NKS: Great.
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Niira: Thank you!
NKS: Have a good darshan, when you get back from Vaishnodevi, give a ring, Niira and we'll -
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Niira: I'll do that, most definitely.
NKS: And your people are doing a fabulous job on the, on the (inaudible) and publicity part -
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Jeh: Hello
Radia: Jeh… hi Niira
Jeh: Hi Niira
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Radia: Jeh.. Jeh waiting for that AD Baijal to return. He has returned back late..late last night. He was looking at the information,
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Radia: he says that the data they have got is fairly inadequate this is not sufficient.
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Radia: Ahh.. they should be in a position to look at an NDA(non-disclosure agreement?) for next week.
Jeh: ok
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Radia: ahh.. today is a Friday. I.. you know.. personally do not think. I mean he was little taken back by my call because he…
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Radia: he was you know we need to be pretty sure of our relationship in Brazil
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Radia: and he said you know Niira once you introduced someone to us why will we bypass you…you know.
Jeh: right.. thats right
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Radia: So I think he is ahh.. he is not but I think we should be careful that the Brazilians won't tell them that no we will talk directly.
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Jeh: no they will not.. they will not
Radia: ya.. so then may be if you could…
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Radia: if you could ensure that the Brazilians tell them that you know we are already in touch with Jeh
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Radia: and I guess he is already in touch with you, they have your name now and they have your detail.
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Jeh: I have spoken to him personally so he will not do…
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Jeh: go with any other route so.. lets.. lets.. lets see and I mean I am trying to get a detailed presentation on this
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Radia: Okay.
Jeh: and as soon as I have it I will forward you.
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Radia: ok.. and when are you going to Brazil?
Jeh: ah… actually I am in Guinea ah..
Radia: (laughs) ok
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Jeh: on Monday and Wednesday I am in Senegal.
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Jeh: I am trying to fly directly from Senegal to Brazil Thursday Friday
Radia: ok
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Jeh: You know there are no direct flights, so I am trying to charter one.
Radia: ok
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Jeh: And if I don't become successful than I might go the next week or postpone I mean I will call him here to London sometime.
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Jeh: I was wondering if Muthuram would have been in London I could have invited the…
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Radia: No may be I can set up a meeting accordingly and we can quickly fly across for a day
Jeh: Ya.. ya
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Radia: I'll talk to Muthu. Muthu is actually.. there is a board meeting going in Tata Steel right now. He is back in Bombay.
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Radia: So I am waiting for him get back. He will call me in the night I am sure you know once he is out of the meetings and all that,
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Radia: but I think if you can just ensure that nobody from Brazil speaks to them,
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Radia: then there shouldn't be any problem.
Jeh: ok
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Radia: Look I'm pretty confident that they will not bypass it because its recommendations. I have taken it at a pretty wary of bypassing that
Jeh: ya
Radia: I don't think they will do this.
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(phone rings)
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Radia: Jeh hi!
Jeh: hi Niira can you talk?
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Radia: ya.. I'm just about to look at the building so.. (laughs)
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Radia: if you get me breathless than you know why I'm just walking around (laughs)
Jeh: no.. no problem. I just wanted to check couple of things with you
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Radia: Hmm..?
Jeh: You know anybody Mr. Gupta there in Tatas or they are using any consultant
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Radia: Mr. Gupta…..(thinking)
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Radia: no I mean there are so many people who move around here and there everywhere.
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Radia: Oh there is this Mr. Shyamlal Gupta.. who is their chairman of the Tata International
Jeh: ok
Radia: hmmm
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Jeh: because I think ah…the… seller in Brazil
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Jeh: might have known Mr. Tata, Mr. Shyamal Gupta looks like
Radia: May be
Jeh: may be ya
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Radia: but that doesn't matter we can't do the transaction
Jeh: Sure, so it's important that we find the NDA as quick as possible
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Radia: right
Jeh: ya
Radia: ok..ok. well, I did tell them that… I did tell them that.
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Radia: Ok let me have a word with him because you know
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Jeh: because engagement we can find later on with CA and all this things but non disclosure they are basically..
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Jeh: they cannot do this deal through somebody else
Radia: hmm..hmm
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Jeh: you know now with the names being out and about to pull these sellers that the potential buyer could be Tata
Radia: hmm..
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Jeh: you know there could be people trying to...
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Jeh: work out, get in between
Radia: ok.. let me have a word.
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Jeh: ya
Radia: ok let me have a word with.. this gentleman I did try to speak to Mr. Muthuraman today that Sanjay called me
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Radia: but Shyamal Gupta is the Tata International chairman but its not like Tata stock…like that
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Jeh: there is a gentleman who...
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Jeh: Brazilian Trade and Commerce Chamber.. Chamber of Commerce,
Radia: (...) this is all the people belong to them na.
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Jeh: He is a Brazilian guy, and through him I think he has met one Mr. Gupta
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Radia: ya Mr. Shyamal Gupta he would have met Shyamal
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Jeh: one or two years ago he talked about the same assets with Tatas I think
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Radia: they had ah.. they had ah.. they are very close to Brazilians
Jeh: ya
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Radia: I mean there is no doubt about it. Mr.Tata himself is personally very close to them
Jeh: ya (laughs)
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Radia: ya.. so I can I mean he knows the Prime Minister's called him over and all that
Jeh: ya..
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Radia: I mean let me have a word with N.K. Mishra to sign the NDA
Jeh: ok
Radia: ya
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Jeh: kyonki... Is Mr.Raman.. is Mr. Muthuraman coming to London in July or he will be back?
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Radia: he is not. he is… he is back he will first..and May be you will have to come to Bombay and meet them
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Jeh: ok
Radia: ya
Jeh: no problem, tell me when?
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Radia: let me call him Jeh, give me half an hour, let me talk to them I'll call you back
Jeh: no problem
Radia: ok….ok.. bye
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Pocha: hello
Radia: I was talking to Raja(K.R.Raja, Director, Reliance Industries Limited)
Pocha: oh..
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Radia: I have told him that on Tuesday when you are there we will do a call with the Eenadu
Pocha: hmmm
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Radia: and try and see what we can do first and not do first and may be.. they can
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Radia: may be we can stick on one person to you temporarily
Pocha: hmm..
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Radia: and also see what we can do and what we can't do first rule out that option altogether and then we just go forward ya..
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Pocha: ya.. the othe…(not completed)
Radia: that call will get set up on Tuesday then you guys will have to have a meeting in Hyderabad at some stage,
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Radia: but that call will tell us a lot ya..
Pocha: ya.. and I…
Radia: and we will do it
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Pocha: I also wanted to talk to them about this set and fabrication and all na..
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Radia: correct you can do all that in one go na… so if can just quickly once since you are in the call put it on mail to me,
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Radia: what are the issues you want to discuss he will forward along to them straightaway
Pocha: ya.
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Radia: so they have the right people on the call at that time
Pocha: correct
Radia: ya
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Pocha: So what do you want me to send you, sorry?
Radia: Send me a mail as to what is that you.. what are the discussions points you would like to have with them...
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Pocha: just these two things
Radia: no.. the areas of th..distribution me tumko kya kya chahiye tum who bata dona mujhe.
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Pocha: nai.. nai.. distribution and set fabrication that's all
Radia: distribution and set fabrication ok..ok..
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Pocha: now one sec one small question ahh..
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Radia: hmmm..and the accountant is coming, the same guy that we had originally I.. I .. Mark, he managed to get him released,
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Radia: but he is.. he is coming to.. going to Bombay for briefing next week and then he will join formally..
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Radia: because he has to move with his baggage and everything and family. It will be 10th, he starts work.
Pocha: perfect.. perfect
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Radia: he is a very good guy hah.. Rajesh(??)
Pocha: oh.. ya.ya.. sounds like… ya
Radia: haan
Pocha: so thats great .. huh..
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Radia: ha.. ha.. he is another Raja
Pocha: ya.. good…. good
Radia: ha.. then
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Pocha: ah…..ahhh.. there is a guy in my ah… office, his thread ceremony, I mean his son's thread ceremony
Radia: huh..
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Pocha: toh I just thought of giving him a coin or something na
Radia: haan
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Pocha: toh ah.. can you give me number of that jeweller I'll get him to keep it ready and Rajesh(??) can go pick it up
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Radia: you want a gold coin
Pocha: ya..
Radia: gold coin is like a Rs.10000!
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Pocha: no.. how much is the gold coin ya?.. about Rs2000 or Rs.3000 na I bought one in Bombay that day.
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Radia: thats a small one right?
Pocha: ya..it's a coin, how big can a coin be ya?
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Radia: I don't know which one you bought. But you bought the small the… the th.. this thing ok..
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Pocha: it is the size of a coin. How big is a coin?
Radia: alright.. alright Ok I'll just get it organized, ok
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Pocha: Isn't that the best thing?
Radia: haan.. theek hai.
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Radia: Otherwise you just put in a…in a one of those nice ba..packets that we get.. where we give money… just put Rs.1000
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Pocha: hmmm..
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Radia: you know there is those.. those wedding packets that we always take and all that those little nice envelopes na..
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Pocha: Thats enough?
Radia: huh?
Pocha: Rs.1000 is enough?
Radia: Haan..(agrees)
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Radia: Who is the guy though? I mean how important is he?
Pocha: Very good guy. Middle level. But very good guy
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Radia: Haan toh theek hai. You give a coin then. Thats better. You will send a very nice message. Just keep in mind everybody else will expect a coin from you then.
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Pocha: No..no.. but sometimes you know I want to show my favourite na.. for good workers that's the whole point.
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Radia: ok..ok.. I will send you the.. don't worry I will get someone to organize the coin and..
Pocha: I need either Saraswati or Ganesha
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Radia: What? Saraswati or?
Pocha: Ganesh.. Ganpati
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Radia: Ganpati, gold coin pe Ganpati hota hai kya?
Pocha: nai..?
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Radia: I don't think gold coin pe Ganpati hota. Silver pe hota hai but not on Gold. Gold is Gold sovereign its…
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Pocha: No no but you get coins with Gods on them na?
Radia: Main check karti hoon. ok
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Pocha: That's why I am just saying you. You can just check that.. I ….
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Radia: ok ok ok. What else?
Pocha: That's all.
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Radia: ok I will get organized I'll call you back. you can sent Rajesh. Tell him to go to Mehrasons
Pocha: that's what I am saying. I have told him
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Radia: ok just tell him to go there huh..
Pocha: (...sound breaks)
Radia: tell him to go to Mehrasons, South extension
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Pocha: if there are no
Radia: Tell him to speak to Cecilia. She should know where it is. Tell to speak to Cecilia. Cecilia knows where it is. Cecilia will handle it.
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Pocha: aare but if there is no coin then what Babu?
Radia: then she will find him and. Just tell him to speak to Cecilia
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Pocha: I'll tell. Tell him to call Cecilia?
Radia: tell him to call Cecilia. He has her number.
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Radia: Tell him to speak to Cecilia and she will tell him where to go ok.
Pocha: ok ok..
Radia: then she will find out in the meantime.
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Senthil: Hi Niira
Radia: Senthil hi! Sorry to disturb you Senthil
Senthil: no.. no.. no.. not at all
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Radia: I will sent you letter on… as well
Senthil: Ok
Radia: Let me see what I get as a response. I call them in a while
Senthil: Ok
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Radia: Senthil… Siddharth (Zarabi, CNBC TV18 anchor) is continuing to run that story
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Senthil: Ok let me.. because I … he says he is completely correct I .. I just wanted to… I just spoke to Udayan (Mukherjee, Managing Editor, CNBC TV18) as well
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Senthil: No I… I.. we have written the letter .. just see the draft of the letter that gone to SEBI
Senthil: Pardon?
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Radia: They have sent a letter. Tata communications is just about to close on the letter to SEBI
Senthil: ok….ok..ok..ok..
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Radia: because the fact is I mean it is not true in fact I checked with Bharti also. Checking with the them why do you issue statements like that?
Senthil: ok
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Radia: and the view is needs you know its just mindless we are just… our standard statement.
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Radia: We just issue all statements like that you know. Which is the fact.
Senthil: ok
Radia: I just looked at all statements they are all like that
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Senthil: see.. see..see Siddharth says that somebody (some name) confirmed but immediate check again once
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Radia: no because.. you know… otherwise…because we have to also notify the Stock Exchange as well as SEBI so we are doing that now
Senthil: ok….ok..ok..ok..
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Radia: We are letting.. we are letting SEBI know that there seems to be some you know mischief here
Senthil: ok….ok..ok..ok..
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Radia: but its…its not true at all. I won't lie to you, you know otherwise it's not true. It is not a quarrel situation.
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Senthil: no..no.. I .. I randomly.. let me just… just talk to… just tell him because the moment journalists says that I have got it own my own.
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Senthil: So let me just…
Radia: Senthil if you want I can forward you the white paper that's in circulation.
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Radia: It's one of those white papers again.
Senthil: Ok..
Radia: It came to me from ET (Economic Times) yesterday
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Senthil: Ok..ok..
Radia: It is the same thing that started with ETs and my reaction against Rahul Joshi was..
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Radia: Rahul why don't you just carry it on front page and then I will leave to Tata's to decide what they want to do with ET…
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Radia: He pulled of the story altogether because he realized it was a white paper it came to me.
Senthil: ok
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Radia: And now its gone to CNBC after it didn't succeed in ET
Senthil: ok
Radia: and I think your guys are just falling for this
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Radia: Yes (? inaudible name)
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Tata executive: No… I was ah… I saw your mail to Mr. Muthuraman,
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Tata executive: and in the mean time I heard from my colleague Mr. Baijal who is in Jamshedpur about this Africa opportunity.
Radia: haan haan...
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Tata executive: toh Sierra Leone he seems to have looked at that in the past and doesn't seem interested in that
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Radia: hmm.. hmmm
Tata executive: but Guinea and Senegal are something which can be examined this we have a more information on that
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Radia: ok… ok..
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Tata executive: so what I'm going to do is to write two line mail to you anyways saying the same thing copying Mr. Baijal also on that.
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Tata executive: Mr. Baijal is the Group Director of Global Minerals. He looks after all the mining site of all these.
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Radia: ok.. great
Tata executive: so.. so I am going write these mail to you
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Tata executive: and then after that you can get more information on these two deposits
Radia: ok
Tata executive: in dealing with the Senegal
Radia: ok
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Tata executive: than that I think those two can be pursued
Radia: ok.. now that'll be interesting because what I will do then really is just waiting get it,
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Radia: you know the inputs from you before I really take it further although it didn't make sense for me to take it further.
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Radia: So.. if I'll.. if you could sent me the mail than certainly that will be good then
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Tata executive: In the next five minutes the mail will be with you and your other one on the Brazil
Radia: Haan...
Tata executive: Mr. Muthuramman is traveling I think he will speak to you on Monday
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Radia: hm.. hmm..
Tata executive: by that time I think we will give him also some input
Radia: ok
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Tata executive: I think he might be back to Mumbai on Monday and than he might speak to you
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Radia: ok. fair enough
Tata executive: ok
Radia: ok, thanks.
(Call ends)

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Venkat: Hi, Morning
Radia: Morning(wearily), I am going to call you actually. You know about this electoral thing.
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Venkat: Ha, you—
Radia: Sorry you go ahead.
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Venkat: no, you know on this electoral trusts reports and all that came in
Radia: Hmm,
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Venkat: Boss had called Dinesh Vyas and told him to issue clarifications saying, it is not a Tata Electoral trust,
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Radia: We did that.
Venkat: OK, he says let Dinesh Vyas issue the statement.
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Radia: well, the word because, I will tell you what it is,
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Radia: because it is called Tata-
Venkat: Uhuh.
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Radia: you are going like, it looks like, we have said it, if you see the Business Standard, it has carried our statement. It says it is an independent trust.
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Venkat: No it is not a Tata electoral trust, it is not even called a Tata Electoral Trust.
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Radia: (slightly weary) what is it called?
Venkat: It is called The Electoral Trust, that's all.
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Radia: So where did the word - the letter, they have even published the letter, in—in Bengal.
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Venkat: No— ummm (pause)—- you have a copy of the letter?
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Radia: The letter is on my email, I will just forward it to you. Its come in Prathidin.
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Radia: The thing is— I will send it you just now. The thing is Venkat, there are two things here.
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Radia: One, If they were sending it, our heads up, it's a Tata thing right?
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Radia: Its still considered a Tata thing, this Dinesh—I know Tatas contribute to it, right?
Venkat: Yeah.
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Radia: Ok, now the thing is that the moment that happens, he, the moment that's done,
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Radia: he needs to give us a heads up. You know last night—
Venkat: Dinesh has whatever(mild laugh)—
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Radia: He is independent, is he?
Venkat: Yeah, he is independent, quite independent. All the three trustees are independent.
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Venkat: How they allocate the proportion, we don't know.
Radia: umm
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Venkat: just, of course, for our info, they tell us what it is. They tell Subedar for info. But they do their own.
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Venkat: All the three trustees are, Mr.(Ardeshir) Dubash (Industrialist), Mr.Dinesh(Vyas, Supreme Court Advocate) and Shireen Bharucha(Social Worker), who has nothing to do with—
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Radia: Ok, the thing is that if the letter said—
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Venkat: It's not even Tata Electoral Trust also. It's called The Electoral Trust.
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Radia: Ok, if now that's the case, I am now wondering how the word Tata came in,
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Radia: unless its mentioned in the letter, that I will get it now.
Venkat: anyway, people know that Dinesh Vyas is—
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Venkat: this thing(voice trails off), Mr.A.D.Dubash, Shireen Bharucha and Dinesh, they are the trustees.
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Venkat: Of course the contribution to the trust comes from the Tata group companies.
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Venkat: But how it is distributed, to whom it is distributed, its is entirely upto the trustees to distribute it based on the rules.
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Radia: Yeah. You know where it started from? She(Mamta Banerjee) gave an interview to StarAnanda yesterday.
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Radia: And she showed the letter and the cheque.
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Venkat: Just forward me the letter, I will just have a look.
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Radia: Yes, the letter appeared in her paper, Prathidin, this morning, front page—it's in every Bengali paper.
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Radia: And it's just that you know, the fact that—
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Radia: one I didn't know that you give it to them after an election is over. So—
Venkat: They do it in two parts.
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Venkat: One before the election based on number of seats and after the election based on the number of seats they won—
Radia: Which is fair enough.
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Venkat: That's how DMK also got. DMK didn't get in the first this thing.
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Venkat: After the election DMK also got based on the number of seats. They accepted. Everybody accepted, except CPM and, BSP did not accept.
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Venkat: All others accepted. They've got Sonia Gandhi also accepted.
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Venkat: Everybody has accepted.
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Radia: So maybe when he has to issue the statement, he has to say that every other political party has accepted, except for the three.
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Venkat: Yeah, except whomsoever who have not accepted. He should say, we distribute it to everybody, not only—
(Call ends aprubtly).