1 00:00:07,647 --> 00:00:12,767 Phone Rings (Pal, pal har pal) 2 00:00:12,767 --> 00:00:17,119 Niira Radia: Shankkar... Hi. Shankkar Aiyar: Are you still in some serious meeting and all? 3 00:00:17,119 --> 00:00:20,704 Niira Radia: No no no no.. I wanted to tell you I saw you on air Shankkar Aiyar: Oh 4 00:00:20,704 --> 00:00:27,360 Niira Radia: The thing is that... there are two things that are happening. One, the Congress has not ever talked about Baalu or about Raja or anything like that... seriously... 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,152 Shankkar Aiyar: Yeah Niira Radia: Right? They have not said that. Their main... 6 00:00:29,152 --> 00:00:43,232 Shankkar Aiyar: That's what I told them last night. I don't know whether you were... Last night I said on air, I said I am a little mystified as to how everybody seems to know what the Prime Minister has told, except the two ministers and the DMK itself because.. if... 7 00:00:43,232 --> 00:00:51,680 Niira Radia: Karunanidhi... Yeah! Shankkar Aiyar: Yeah ...if the Prime Minister said so then the Congress party should come out and say "Ok, we don't... we have expressed that these two ministers should not be there. Come out and say it?! 8 00:00:51,680 --> 00:01:00,128 Niira Radia: That's right. Shankkar Aiyar: If you don't say it, then what are you admitting? That you lived with a corrupt ... uh... minister through five years and couldn't do about anything about it? 9 00:01:00,128 --> 00:01:03,200 Niira Radia: Hmm Hmm Shankkar Aiyar: Toh maine bolaa yeh sab faaltugiri hai... (so I said that all this is nonsense) 10 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:09,088 Niira Radia: Hmm Shankkar Aiyar: Tumhare apne ministers kaun sa bahut saare efficient hain. (Your own ministers are not so efficient) You've lived with a disaster called Shivraj Patil for five years. 11 00:01:09,088 --> 00:01:10,880 Niira Radia: Hmm Shankkar Aiyar: toh... (so) 12 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,695 Niira Radia: Sushil Kumar Shinde Shankkar Aiyar: Haan (Yes) 13 00:01:13,695 --> 00:01:27,520 Niira Radia: Haan... Hai na... (Yes. Isn't it?) So now, the thing is that what they have done is... they have only given a hint by... to... through Maran and again they are talking to the wrong people. You see what's happening is, all these messages coming out that they accept Maran and they don't want the other two... 14 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,104 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: The other thing is that Azhagiri is a... see... mass leader. Right? 15 00:01:31,104 --> 00:01:38,271 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: And and basically the problem is that there was Baalu, Raja and Maran. That's how it got settled. 16 00:01:38,271 --> 00:01:40,832 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: Azhagiri MOS independent... 17 00:01:40,832 --> 00:01:42,624 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: and even Kani MOS 18 00:01:42,624 --> 00:01:51,840 Shankkar Aiyar: Correct... Hmm Niira Radia: So the... so the view was that when Azhagiri is... so Azhagiri followers and the DMK leaders in Tamil Nadu said, you know, he is a... such a senior leader... 19 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:58,240 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: ...how can you give an MOS as you take Maran out of that. Or you drop Baalu. Because Raja they can't because of Dalit. 20 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,032 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: So you drop one of them. 21 00:02:00,032 --> 00:02:07,711 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: which is where then Selvi started intervening and saying "I will commit suicide... I will do this". Poor old man is in... under so much pressure. 22 00:02:07,711 --> 00:02:14,111 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: Separately, Congress told Maran that we do not want to give infrastructure portfolios... 23 00:02:14,111 --> 00:02:22,815 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: to Baalu or to you... that's what the Prime Minister wishes which he has not relayed to Karunanidhi. Abhii problem kyaa hai, sab Darte hain Karunanidhi ko kaun jaake bolega. (Now the problem is who will go and speak to Karunanidhi because all are scared) 24 00:02:22,815 --> 00:02:29,727 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: Congress is not talking directly to Karunanidhi. They have to talk to... to him. 25 00:02:29,727 --> 00:02:29,983 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: They have to... talk to him 26 00:02:29,983 --> 00:02:40,223 Shankkar Aiyar: Usmen bhi ek difficulty hai udhar. (Even there is a problem) I have... I have met Karunanidhi several times and despite my knowledge of Tamil, some of the times, you know, I can't understand what he says. 27 00:02:40,223 --> 00:02:48,416 Niira Radia: No, but then toh he can ask Kani who is a neutral person. Shankkar Aiyar: Haan... (Yeah) No! So hamesha main saath me meraa ek laRkaa hai Anand Natarajan karke udhar. Usko saath me le jata hoon (giggles) (So I take this guy with me, called Anand Natarajan there) 28 00:02:48,416 --> 00:02:54,047 Shankkar Aiyar: Just in case I don't un... tsk.. Toh dekho... (So, look) I agree with you that they should talk to him directly instead of this. 29 00:02:54,047 --> 00:03:02,751 Shankkar Aiyar: Main kal usko... Vishal ko phone karke wahi bataya. Maine bola wo Chintu ro raha hai. Bol raha hai ke saale sab log kyon Daya ki baat maante hain. Maine bola wo frame mein hai, tu frame mein nahi hai... (I called up Vishal yesterday and told him the same thing. I said that Chintu has been crying. Has been saying that why all these people agree to what Daya says. I told him that he is in the frame, you are not) 30 00:03:02,751 --> 00:03:05,311 Niira Radia: Hmm... Can I... 31 00:03:05,311 --> 00:03:12,223 Shankkar Aiyar: To bola haan ye to issue hai. Toh maine bola dekh abhi wo official negotiator kaun hai wo declare kar do tum... (Then he said that yeah, that's an issue. So I said look, you declare who is the official negotiator) 32 00:03:12,223 --> 00:03:15,807 Niira Radia: Hmm Shankkar Aiyar: Saara qissa bahar ho jayegaa. (The whole story would be out) Niira Radia: Hmm 33 00:03:15,807 --> 00:03:20,927 Shankkar Aiyar: Toh... (So) Aur ensure that people know that Maran is not the official negotiator. Niira Radia: Hmm 34 00:03:20,927 --> 00:03:27,839 Shankkar Aiyar: Lekin (But) then I found out that this bloody English-speaking party only talks through English-speaking people Niira Radia: Hmm 35 00:03:27,839 --> 00:03:35,519 Shankkar Aiyar: Aur wo... (And that) Anyway, wo Daya kaa aur Rahul ko kuch business interest hai toh (If Daya and Rahul have a business interest then) that always is an issue... going to be an issue. 36 00:03:35,519 --> 00:03:37,055 Niira Radia: What is the interest matlab? (meaning) 37 00:03:37,055 --> 00:03:48,319 Shankkar Aiyar: Maloom nahi. Kuch software software... kuch to. Sab business interest hai kuch... dono ka. Jab ye mantri thaa naa tabhi ek baar ghalti se iske munh se kuch nikal gaya. (Don't know. Some software thing. Something. There's some business interest, both have. When he was a Minister, then only he happened to say leak out something by mistake) 38 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:53,695 Niira Radia: But I thought Rahul is the one who said he doesn't want him there. Shankkar Aiyar: Who? Dayanidhi? He doesn't want Dayanidhi there? 39 00:03:53,695 --> 00:03:54,975 Niira Radia: Yeah! 40 00:03:54,975 --> 00:04:00,608 Shankkar Aiyar: Then... toh toot gaya hoga phir. Pata nahi. Mere ko ye... matlab... (Then the alliance might have fallen apart. Don't know. I mean...) I am talking of 2006. 41 00:04:00,608 --> 00:04:05,727 Niira Radia: Nahi nahi... (No No) I think it's it's changed from that point. I think there's something quite... Shankkar Aiyar: (Inaudible) 42 00:04:05,727 --> 00:04:13,664 Niira Radia: Nahi nahi I know that because... you know... they have... and the problem is... I agree with you, they have not declared who the official negotiator is... Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm 43 00:04:13,664 --> 00:04:16,223 Niira Radia: That's what it is, Karunanidhi needs to do... Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm 44 00:04:16,223 --> 00:04:28,000 Niira Radia: He can't send five of them to negotiate naa... which is what Shankkar Aiyar: Tsk.. No no... he should just simply... I mean this is the best time to make Azhagiri or Kanimozhi the official DMK face in Delhi 45 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,815 Niira Radia: Right Shankkar Aiyar: Bhai ye dono me se ek ko bolo tum negotiate karo bhai. (Tell one of them to negotiate) 46 00:04:30,815 --> 00:04:35,936 Niira Radia: Right... Azhagiri (inaudible) Shankkar Aiyar: Who better than... Haan... (Yes) 47 00:04:35,936 --> 00:04:45,664 Niira Radia: Hmm... That's that's the mistake. He needs to declare his official negotiator. (Pause) No... Anyway, that's the problem. So, nobody has told him anything. So, he doesn't know what's going on. He is missed. 48 00:04:45,664 --> 00:04:53,087 Niira Radia: He doesn't understand. Nobody even told him that the Congress doesn't want to...uhh.. give infrastructure portfolios to Baalu or Maran. 49 00:04:53,087 --> 00:04:58,720 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: Which is why they suggested labour, chemical fertilizer and telecom so that Raja can continue... 50 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:06,143 Shanakar: Hmm hmm Niira Radia: This is not related to him. They've only told him there are three portfolios. So whatever he's seeing, is also seeing on television... 51 00:05:06,143 --> 00:05:11,264 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: And on his own Sun Network, he is carrying whatever he wants to be projected to his leader. 52 00:05:11,264 --> 00:05:19,455 Shankkar Aiyar: Hmm Niira Radia: It's as silly as that. Can you imagine? Tum batao na wo apne Congress walon ko. (You tell your Congress people na) 53 00:05:19,455 --> 00:05:23,552 Shankkar Aiyar: Kya bataoon (What do I tell them?) Niira Radia: Haan? Kaun hai... FM kaun hai? (What? Who is that? Who is the FM?) 54 00:05:23,552 --> 00:05:23,295 Shankkar Aiyar: Haan? Niira Radia: FM kaun hai? (Who is the FM?) 55 00:05:23,552 --> 00:05:30,463 Shankkar Aiyar: Pranab... Pranab Niira Radia: Pranab. And this one... uh... Commerce? 56 00:05:30,463 --> 00:05:33,279 Shankkar Aiyar: Maine Kamal ko maine kal phone kiyaa... (I called up Kamal yesterday) Niira Radia: Hmm 57 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:40,447 Shankkar Aiyar: Wo keh raha kuch bhi decide nahi hua... bekaar me log kyon...matlab... Maine bola tu ja raha hai kya South Block, Raisina Hill ja raha hai kya tu... (He was saying nothing has been decided as yet.. then why are people unnecessarily... I said are you going to the South Block....) 58 00:05:40,447 --> 00:05:48,127 Shankkar Aiyar: Toh nahi... bola nahi abhi to kuch decide nahi hua... baarah baje aaj ho.. (Then he said no... he said nothing has been decided as yet... tsk.. you are the first person who gave me that clarity ke aaj baarah baje final hoga list. 59 00:05:48,127 --> 00:05:54,527 Niira Radia: Hmm. So then I... Wo meeting abhi chal raha hai na (Isn't that meeting going on?) Shankkar Aiyar: Shuru hua abhi... (It started right now) 60 00:05:54,527 --> 00:05:54,527 Niira Radia: Haan (Ok) Shankkar Aiyar: Das baje shuru hua... (Started at 10) 61 00:05:54,527 --> 00:05:57,343 Niira Radia: Haan (Ok) Shankkar Aiyar: Das- sawa das baje shuru huaa hoga (Might have started around 10-10:15) 62 00:05:57,343 --> 00:06:00,671 Niira Radia: Achcha (I see) Shankkar Aiyar: It'll go on till 1 Niira Radia: Oh 63 00:06:00,671 --> 00:06:10,160 Shankkar Aiyar: Minister... none of... even the sure shot hundred per cent ministers have not been told Niira Radia: Hmm hmm. They will... they will get told then after one o'clock... yeah. 64 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,346 Shankkar Aiyar: So... Hmm Niira Radia: Chalo bata dena what you hear. (Ok, let me know)