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(Phone rings)

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Tarun: Hi.
Niira: Hi, hi.

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Tarun: Um, so I have this meeting with Sunil Mittal today.
Niira: Hmm.
Tarun: And you have of course told me about um, one aspect, you know, of what he has said about Ratan and all that.

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Niira: Hmm.
Tarun: Anything else you want me to deal with him?

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Niira: Nothing he should come out on his (chuckles) - I know you're gonna tell me that I'm on this natural resources issue -
Tarun: Hmm.
Niira: - but Petrol definitely is one of them.

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Tarun: Yeah.
Niira: So I think he should come out. He should come out and talk about how natural resources have a value.
Tarun: He still continues to be on a different wavelength? On Spectrum?

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Niira: Uh, no no, I think he's on the same wavelength, I think he hasn't articulated it well.
Tarun: Okay.

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Niira: I think he needs to articulate this very well. Because you know, it's time to you know...I think it's time to take the fight...I guess we all have to get rid of all the. I'm sorry, I know you're - you know, Ratan will agree with me, so I'm not saying it only for myself.

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Tarun: Yeah.
Niira: But seriously, the industry's all gone on one side now, and Anil Ambani is on the other side.

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Tarun: Okay.
Niira: Yeah. And I think it's time to do that and finish this off once and for all, you know?

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Tarun: And uh, where is Raja in all this?
Niira: Raja will come under flak, there's no doubt about it. He'll come under -

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Tarun: He's with Anil?
Niira: He's still with - I mean, he's with Anil because he's tried to...I mean, yesterday I told him go to TDSAT, get a judgment clarification done, then I'll give you extra spectrum. Thank God that we were all there in court, including Sunil's people, everybody.

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Tarun: Hmm.
Niira: That we managed to oppose it.
Tarun: Right.

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Niira: And therefore his petition got dismissed.
Tarun: Okay.

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Niira: So Raja is not doing anything, but he certainly is still guiding Anil.
Tarun: Mmm.
Niira: And Anil's trying to use him to go to Azhagiri and get the Fertilizer sector to be compromised on this Gas issue. And it's the Fertilizer sector that needs it the most.

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Tarun: Hmm, hmm, sure.
Niira: So there is this still...I told Raja,  I spoke to him. I said you're making a very very big blunder, you know. Because this time - well Ratan's written a nice letter about it, he may say okay, you gave him a dual technology license so he wrote a nice letter which he shouldn't have done -

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Tarun: Hmm.
Niira: But he'll come out and he'll come out very strongly against you.
Tarun: Hmm.

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Niira: So he said, no no no. I said I'll tell Kanimozhi that that's what you're doing.
Tarun: Hmm.
Niira: So he said I'm not helping Anil, why do you think I'm helping him and...so he's still trying to find a way how he can call Sunil a problem...

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Tarun: Right.
Niira: And I've told Sunil that we have to be smart about this, how we handle it. That doesn't mean we have to pay Raja even one cent.
Tarun: Right.

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Niira: But we have to work together on this issue. With...and (inaudible) but Ratan doesn't want to work with me, so how - I said you'll have to make amends.
Tarun: Hmm.

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Niira: And that statement I know has hurt Ratan a lot.
Tarun: Hmm.
Niira: So it'd be a starting point.

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Niira: So I think if he comes out openly and says how this is, that'd be useful. When's your meeting, now, is it?
Tarun: Eleven.
Niira: Okay. Have a nice meeting, and tomorrow you've got Satyam board is it?

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Tarun: I've got, yeah, but I was wondering that if you had time, I - what time would you want to do this, I can reach the Satyam board meeting - it's a formality now, we're exiting the board, I don't want to be there for one day beyond once Mahindras have taken over so PM has agreed to that. So...

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Niira: Uh huh.
Tarun: Tomorrow is a kind of good-bye. Good-bye meeting. So I can reach late or I can go early and leave, whatever. So I was just thinking whether...how are you placed?

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Niira: We could do it...
Tarun: You don't need to go, actually, you don't need to go.

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Niira: No, I thought I'd sort of come with you...but in the morning -
Tarun: I'm happy to spend time with you, because that's always quality time.

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Niira: (laughs) Well, I thought I'd come - I told Vishal so I - but I think the agent was like sort of eleven o' clock onwards, none of these guys that they've appointed...
Tarun: That's fine, that's fine, whatever. You let me know and I'll get out of this Satyam meeting, hmm?

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Niira: Okay, I'll just talk to Vishal just now and try and work out a -
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